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SNAPCUT
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posted 01-17-2000 20:11     Click Here to See the Profile for SNAPCUT   Click Here to Email SNAPCUT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My agency issues "Low Recoil" 12 gauge, 9 pellet 00 Buckshot rounds. Recoil has not never been a problem for me, so I really don't see the need. How much performance is lost, realistically, with these "reduced" loads?

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barbrady
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posted 01-17-2000 21:53     Click Here to See the Profile for barbrady   Click Here to Email barbrady     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was suggested to me that some level of terminal performance is lost through the use of reduced buckshot (or through back-boring)but that the loss is not significant and that it is largly nullified by the generally tighter patterns achieved with low/reduced recoil buckshot.

Remember that buckshot is a short range proposition any way you slice it. My Vang 870 generally patterns 5-7" at 25 yrds with Remington's Reduced Recoil 8 pellet 00B load. It has thrown 3" patterns at the same distance. Despite the tight patterns I still consider it a 10-15 yrd weapon with buckshot---a BG simply turning sideways could leave a perfectly centered shot with stray pellets. This maximum buckshot range lessens to around 7-10 yrds with most unmodified scatterguns. You've also got to plan based on your worst pattern, not your best---just in case you're having a bad day.

At these ranges, between 0-15 yrds, I doubt that a velocity reduction from 1500FPS to 1200FPS is going to cause a less severe wound. Buckshot, because of its lack of expansion, injures through penetration---most of the producers of "tactical" or reduced buckshot loads claim that at least 90% of the full load's penetration is maintained.

There seems to be very little written about this subject and the above is what I could gather from my limited research on the subject. I could be wrong.

Personally, I'm considering switching to LR slugs only. I'd prefer full power Brennekes but my SGT sights don't seem to have enough elevation adjustment to provide a proper zero with the faster Brennekes.

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David Armstrong
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posted 01-18-2000 07:59     Click Here to See the Profile for David Armstrong   Click Here to Email David Armstrong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been using, training with, and recommending, low-recoil loads for several years now. You don't lose enough power to worry about, generally less than 200 fps on the velocity end, and no real difference on the receiving end that I have been able to detect.

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nyeti
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posted 01-19-2000 18:52     Click Here to See the Profile for nyeti     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ditto with barbrady. They work fine. The only problem we have had is in our 14" Benelli's where they have been a problem in regards to functioning. In the 870' they work fine with very little reduction in performance.

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P. Gomez
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posted 01-22-2000 18:57     Click Here to See the Profile for P. Gomez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to tests done by the Secret Service, IWBA and Firearms Tactical the reduced recoil 00B penetrates around 0.5 inch less than full-bore 00B. 0.5 inch seems like a fair trade considering the vastly better patterns that are seen with the Federal 9pellet & Rem 8pellet and 20-30% less recoil. The Rem 9pellet, in my experience, doesn't pattern near as well and the Winchester Low Recoil isn't very low recoil. One of the IWBA guys did some interesting studies suggesting that #1B is a superior defensive round.

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Erick
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posted 01-23-2000 11:37     Click Here to See the Profile for Erick   Click Here to Email Erick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that the advantages to these loads are, as has been mentioned, better patterns - since the pellets aren't as deformed- and ease of training for those who are recoil sensitive and whine every time they're forced near the shotgun.

FWIW, I've found that with the reduced loads I feel a bit quicker on the follow-up shots, but that may just be technique.

Erick

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yasuhiro
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posted 03-17-2002 22:11     Click Here to See the Profile for yasuhiro   Click Here to Email yasuhiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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