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Topic: 9/11 WTC Disaster, brought to you by William Jefferson Klinton
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Mad Dog
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posted 04-28-2002 13:30
   
Hardly surprising, but in case you didn't know...
Terrorist pilot Mohammed Atta blew up a bus
in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him.
As part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release so-called "political prisoners".
However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands.
The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, "insisted" that all prisoners be released. Thus, Mohammad Atta was freed and eventually thanked the US by flying an airplane into Tower One of the World Trade Center.
This was reported by many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified. It was censored in the US from all later reports. If you agree that the American public must be made aware of this fact, pass this on. IP: Logged |
Mr. Janet Reno
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posted 04-28-2002 15:30
Mad Dog, Insight Magazine had a great series of 3 or 4 articles on how Klinton was presented with 3 opportunities to get ObL, but his administration said no each time. It was a quite convincing series.Klinton and Sandy Berger have since said the story was false. Fox News' Sean Hannity has promised to have a guest on this week to back up the claims. If I find the articles, I'll post them here. /Mr. Janet Reno IP: Logged |
straightblast
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posted 04-28-2002 17:47
mohammed atta was the guy in the plane, believed to be the leader of the attackers on 9/11. he was supposedly from egypt, carrying a saudi passport.mahmoud mahmoud atta is said to have bombed the bus in 1986. he was from jordan, a naturalized US citizen. extradited to Isael, tried, convicted, sentenced to life. The Israeli supreme court later invalidated his extradition and set him free. he is /was 14 years older than the atta that hit the wtc. the Boston Globe had an article on this 9/19/01, supposedly the US Circuit Court of Appeals has records detailing the detention / extradition of m m atta. see,generally, www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Mohammad+Atta no idea how accurate the article is. IP: Logged |
DScott
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posted 04-28-2002 23:12
This is one of those unfortunate urban legends, it seems. See here for the full skinny: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm
I always check these tales out here before committing any belief to them:
http://www.snopes2.com/index.html
Best! IP: Logged |
Mad Dog
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posted 04-28-2002 23:35
Respinning it as an "urban legend" is pretty easy. I am faaaar more prone to believe the worst, especially after witnessing the Israeli Consul General to the US say on CNN,"William Jefferson Clinton was the best friend the PLO ever had".
The great preponderance of evidence shows that Clinton failed and/or declined outright at every turn to keep terrorists from attacking us. IP: Logged |
DScott
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posted 04-28-2002 23:46
Well, certainly your conclusion can be correct without *every* data point being on the line!  IP: Logged |
ach_soo
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posted 04-29-2002 21:05
even if it was true, i wouldn't blame bill for the tower 1 collapse, much less for the tower 2 downfall. get it? if it wasn't THE atta, it would have been someone else. i'll blame both the terrorist organizers/financiers and lax US internal security.
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Mad Dog
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posted 04-30-2002 10:43
Bay,
Blaming any intel agency is ridiculous, but typical of folks that have no idea of how they actually operate.
Their biggest problem is that knowing it is not the same as getting the rest of the government to believe it's true, or even be willing to take action on it.
Its like blaming a guard dog for letting a burglar come in the front door when you have the dog chained up in the back yard.
Duh.[This message has been edited by Mad Dog (edited 05-03-2002).] IP: Logged |
Mr. Janet Reno
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posted 04-30-2002 15:16
Though I hate to admit it, I mostly agree with Bay. We pay $2 trillion a year in taxes for our gubbermint to protect us from terrorist attacks. The gubbermint failed. No ifs, ands, or buts.The gubbermint doesn't tolerate my mistakes when I screw up on my income taxes. The gubbermint doesn't tolerate my mistake when I drive too fast or miss a stop sign. The gubbermint doesn't tolerate my mistake if I drink too much alcohol and drive my car. The gubbermint doesn't tolerate my mistake if my rifle fires more than one bullet at a time. The gubbermint doesn't tolerate my mistake if I wash my car during a drout. My gubbermint has zero tolerance for my mistakes. I will not tolerate their mistake when 3,000 of my people are slaughtered at their places of work. I have zero tolerance for my gubbermint's mistakes. The gubbermint is fallible and they do fuck up. The entire world saw that in September. However, we now have a good president who is fixing the gubbermint. Unless I miss my guess, CIA just pulled off perhaps the most significant op in their history. (No, I have no inside info. It's just a DAMN GOOD guess.) The CIA has been set free of the stupid restrictions placed on them by the Church Commission and others. INS has failed more than it's succeeded, which is why they were divided into two parts last week. Any change in that horrible, horrible INS is an improvement. The FBI, after an absolutely disastrous record during the 1990s, is doing extremely good work since 11 September. Where Bay is absolutely, 100% wrong (again) is in stating that there is no investigation of 11 September. Bay, sir, if you look at /today's/ newspaper or hop over to Drudge, you will find an article about how the head of one investigating team just resigned. How can the chief resign an investigating team if there is no investigation? There have already been at least 1/2 dozen Congressional hearings and perhaps a dozen simultaneous and ongoing investigations. In fact, I have heard that there are 37 ongoing investigations into 11 September, but I cannot confirm that number. Sorry. Bay, do you really believe there was a coverup of afore-knowledge of 11 September? Do you really believe that? Go look at tape of President Dubya's face on the morning of 11 September when he's at the school in Tampa. Look at that scared and shocked face and tell me he's acting. Tell me that he even had a 20 minute warning. Personally, I think the Secret Service screwed up that morning. As soon as the 2nd plane crashed, they should have grabbed Dubya and moved him. Immediately, if not sooner. That's what I would have done. /Mr. Janet Reno IP: Logged |
Mr. Janet Reno
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posted 05-03-2002 04:12
If you think that's the most important question about the 11 September atrocity, I feel for you.I strongly believe the most important question is, "How do we prevent another 11 September?" That question is followed closely by, "Why did we /not/ know in advance of 11 September?" I will studiously avoid witch hunts until presented with some reasonable evidence of 11 September aforeknowledge. There is none. As for trusting my gubbermint, of course I don't. I hate gubbermint. I hate even ones I voted for, like President Dubya's. The problem with your logic is that you assume the members of our gubbermint act in concert. They do not. What do you think would happen if a Daschle/Kennedy/Gephardt investigation uncovered evidence that President Dubya had aforeknowledge of 11 September? You know as well as I that they would plaster the message all over every single headline in the world. Then, they'd call for an impeachment of Dubya, wouldn't they? The only problem with impeaching Dubya is that before the liberals could get to him, I'd get to him. With that kind of cloud over the Republican party, the liberals would win 90% of the seats in this year's elections. Believe me, the liberals would fornicate their own mothers for that opportunity. Similarly, there are people of conscience even inside the beltway. They would eagerly blow the whistle on any coverrup. There ain't no coverrup. There ain't no evidence of aforeknowledge. Dubya didn't know in advance. /Mr. Janet Reno PS Why is it that the same people who think my President is an idiot also believe that he's brilliant enough to engineer this massive coverrup? IP: Logged |
Mad Dog
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posted 05-03-2002 12:25
Bay,
Like most smarmy but incompetent sophists, you have a terrible and entirely predictable habit of taking one phrase out of context, and attempting to build an argument that suits you based on disparaging that one OOC statement.
Sorry, but this DOES NOT make up for a complete lack of worldly experience with the matters discussed.That is one of the many reasons you get your unsophisticated butt kicked here so often.
Although you have provided some interesting counterpoint from time to time, your signal to noise ratio is growing exponentially.
Its starting to feel too much like you are just one retarded fish in the barrel, getting shot over, and over and over... First, last, and only warning:
Grow up or get canked. I am tired of wasting cyberspace on your inane drivel and childish argumentation techniques.
This site is for adults.
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