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Mad Dog
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posted 05-16-2003 08:33     Click Here to See the Profile for Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone remember the Mossberg 9200 Jungle Gun semi auto 12 gauge that everyone (DEA, USMC, etc) was supposed tom adopt as soon as it appeared in quantity?

Heavy duty barrel, recoil spring around the magazine tube so it could use a folding stock, lots of neat features...

Well, it never appeared in quantity, and now it doesn't appear at all.
What the heck happenned? The distributors don't have them, they do not appear on Mossberg's website, and barely anyone remembers them. Sort of a ghost gun.
Any idea why Mossberg pulled them off the market?

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GlockWRX
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posted 05-16-2003 10:22     Click Here to See the Profile for GlockWRX   Click Here to Email GlockWRX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mad Dog:
Anyone remember the Mossberg 9200 Jungle Gun semi auto 12 gauge that everyone (DEA, USMC, etc) was supposed tom adopt as soon as it appeared in quantity?

Heavy duty barrel, recoil spring around the magazine tube so it could use a folding stock, lots of neat features...

Well, it never appeared in quantity, and now it doesn't appear at all.
What the heck happenned? The distributors don't have them, they do not appear on Mossberg's website, and barely anyone remembers them. Sort of a ghost gun.
Any idea why Mossberg pulled them off the market?


I remember them too. I saw one in a gunshop a few months back and regret not buying it as it has since been sold. It seemed a pretty good alternative to some of the other models on the market.

I don't know what happened either. They seemed pretty well made and the few reviews I saw in the gun mags were positive (but they always are). I seem to remember Mossberg mentioned passing some military tests or specifications in their ads, but I never found out if any agencies or military branches adopted them.

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Mad Dog
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posted 05-16-2003 10:54     Click Here to See the Profile for Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I spoke to a Mossberg service rep this AM.
He tells me that Mossberg has discontinued the 9200 3" mag (all variants) in favor of coming out with a new 3 1/2" mag version called the 935. It should be available this fall at a retail price of about $500.00.

Why on earth they are going to a 3 1/2" mag is beyond me, I have always felt like that was a waste.

This is not progress. What they should be doing is resizing actions for 1.75 or 2" shells, and marketing that. The only reason for current shell sizes being as long as they are is the old black powder dram equivalent. Modern powders only use about 6 to 9 grains of fast burning propellant, so the shells could be a lot shorter, magazine capacities increased, etc...but no, they keep perpetuating the same old crap. Making shells longer instead of shorter.

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bobthebuilder
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posted 05-16-2003 20:06     Click Here to See the Profile for bobthebuilder     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You had to ask why Mossberg discontinued them?

Its a Mossberg and its junk that swhy!

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Mwinter
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posted 05-16-2003 21:46     Click Here to See the Profile for Mwinter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Disregarding bob, Peter Kokalis wrote a good review of the gun in an issue of SOF (they did add ghostring sights, sling, etc. to the sample gun). I don't have the issue handy but the review deemed it an excellent defensive shotgun.
I got to shoot one a year or so ago, and as aforementioned reget not buying one. I don't really care for semi SGs, but it was GREAT to shoot. The heavy barrel makes a difference in the feel (same w/my 590A1) that I really did like.
There were also a few examples I saw at shows that did not have the A1/Jungle features (no metal trigger guard, std contour barrel etc.) but were essentially the 9200 semi sporter cut down to 18.5" bbl.

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DeputyDan
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posted 05-17-2003 23:44     Click Here to See the Profile for DeputyDan   Click Here to Email DeputyDan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 9200s are good shotguns. I guess I am one of the lucky ones on this board to have one. I dont shoot it much anymore, it stays in the safe most of the time. But it eats up shells like there is no tommorow. Its size is quite handy, and like someone mentioned in the earlier posts, it is a good alternative to the pricier semi autos. That is why I got it.

Never had a problem with it jamming or anything by the way. Only thing is I hate cleaning it, a necessary evil to keep the gas system working smoothly.

In reference to the gun's use in the military, the June issue of American Rifleman has a listing of most US military small arms. They cover the 9200 and cite pictures showing that the 9200 is in limited use in the Gulf. They do not show these pictures however.

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ParaFrog
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posted 05-18-2003 22:24     Click Here to See the Profile for ParaFrog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I owned one at one time, but sold it because of an unacceptable design flaw. The bolt release button must be held down in order to open the loading gate and load into the magazine. Other than that, it was a very robust and reliable weapon.

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EchoFiveMike
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posted 05-19-2003 09:35     Click Here to See the Profile for EchoFiveMike   Click Here to Email EchoFiveMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This is not progress. What they should be doing is resizing actions for 1.75 or 2" shells, and marketing that. The only reason for current shell sizes being as long as they are is the old black powder dram equivalent. Modern powders only use about 6 to 9 grains of fast burning propellant, so the shells could be a lot shorter, magazine capacities increased, etc...but no, they keep perpetuating the same old crap. Making shells longer instead of shorter.

Sorry, but most high performance shotgun shells use 30-50gns of high volume flake powder, plus the appropriate wad column to ensure that the shot is not deformed by acceleration/gas cutting due to poor sealing of propellant gas. The increased volume is also useful for less lethal payloads, as well as explosive rounds, chemical payloads and others, I'm sure. Until you get SG shells operating above their current 10-15K LU pressures, this won't change. The US did try to introduce a high pressure SG round, the CAWS program. Nothing came of it. S/F...Ken M

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Mad Dog
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posted 05-19-2003 17:58     Click Here to See the Profile for Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are dead on with the powder charges, I have no idea what was in my head when I posted that idiocy about 6-9 grains.
How embarassing...
I think I need some rest.

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EchoFiveMike
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posted 05-19-2003 18:06     Click Here to See the Profile for EchoFiveMike   Click Here to Email EchoFiveMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Know how that goes. At first I thought you were thinking metric(grams), but that's suicidal when converted to grains. S/F...Ken M

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bobthebuilder
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posted 05-19-2003 20:54     Click Here to See the Profile for bobthebuilder     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mwinter:
Disregarding bob, Peter Kokalis wrote a good review of the gun in an issue of SOF (they did add ghostring sights, sling, etc. to the sample gun). I don't have the issue handy but the review deemed it an excellent defensive shotgun.
I got to shoot one a year or so ago, and as aforementioned reget not buying one. I don't really care for semi SGs, but it was GREAT to shoot. The heavy barrel makes a difference in the feel (same w/my 590A1) that I really did like.
There were also a few examples I saw at shows that did not have the A1/Jungle features (no metal trigger guard, std contour barrel etc.) but were essentially the 9200 semi sporter cut down to 18.5" bbl.


I have only had my hands on a jungle gun one time. I have had an extensive past with the Mossberg 9200ís however.

1st of all I have seen a very high return rate at local gun shops on the 9200 for various quality control problems. Many of the turkey hunters and tact guys that shoot buckshot said they would not pattern correctly. After the owner personally took them out to the range he agreed that the patterns where not concentric and in the case of buckshot threw fliers everytime.This is not just one gun I am talking about, There was a wave of returns on them especially on the hunting style models. The owner of the shop had to send several of them back to the factory because the rib was not soldered on properly.

In addition to all of those problems, one of the thing that people like about Mossbergís is that they have an ambidextrous safty.The safety on these models in theory are a great idea but they donít last very long. I have been in numerous shotgun classes with people shooting Mossbergís and the things just lock up or fall off. Even the replacement steel ones are not the cure.

Finally the Navy SEALS thought that the Mossbergís where a good Idea and the Mossbergís even passed a vigorous test with them. The SEALS found out that over time that the Mossbergís where no match for the Remington 870ís that are now being brought back into service. Seems that they were not holding up very well and prone to breakage.

I would suggest that one article written by a gun magazine commandos does not equal real 1st hand experience with the Mossberg 9200 series.Its been long published that Gun Magazineís catch a bunch of flack from Manufactures when they write a bad story about one of their products and in the past there have been several Manufactures drop advertising from the rags when they donít get a favorable mention. I am sorry but I donít give any merit to gun rag commandos. Even if they do work for SOF!


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Jared
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posted 05-21-2003 10:34     Click Here to See the Profile for Jared   Click Here to Email Jared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I owned one at one time, but sold it because of an unacceptable design flaw. The bolt release button must be held down in order to open the loading gate and load into the magazine. Other than that, it was a very robust and reliable weapon.
I agree about that flaw. It makes it a real pain to reload. Since the button is on the right side, it seems to me that the only way to reload is to dismount the gun, turn it over, hold in your left hand with the left thumb pressing in the button, and reloading with your right hand. If anyone has a better idea on reloading, I'm all ears.

I don't have many rounds through mine and I'm a high-drag, low-speed private citizen, so I've got no idea how it would hold up under more challenging conditions than a quiet Sunday afternoon at the range. I bought mine mainly as a way to help out a buddy who was short on cash. I told him to consider it a loan and that he can buy it back anytime he wants. Now that I've had it a while, I wouldn't mind him buying it back

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Mwinter
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posted 05-21-2003 19:04     Click Here to See the Profile for Mwinter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bobthebuilder:
1st of all I have seen a very high return rate at local gun shops on the 9200 for various quality control problems. This is not just one gun I am talking about, There was a wave of returns on them especially on the hunting style models. The owner of the shop had to send several of them back to the factory because the rib was not soldered on properly.

>>I've had a lot of experience with Mossbergs as well, and heard many of the problems associated with the maker/models...however none of the 4 Mossberg 590/A1 series guns I've owned ever had a single problem, even after considerable abuse and high round count. The hunting guns are another matter entirely; apples to crabapples so to speak. Many many makes/models of firearms display considerable divergence in quality/fit/function between different types and/or individual guns....I simply don't consider that to be a real indictment against the manufacturer as a whole. You'd be hard pressed to find any maker who hasn't had recalls, problems, or simple BAD ideas (the Colt 2000 comes to my mind....haha).<<

In addition to all of those problems, one of the thing that people like about Mossbergís is that they have an ambidextrous safty.The safety on these models in theory are a great idea but they donít last very long.

>> Again I've never seen it happen; the majority of shotguns I've seen problems with have been 870s, simply because thats the shotgun I saw shot the most often in LE. All stuff breaks, and my experience/digging has led me to believe that the 590A1 and Jungle Gun series weapons are very serviceable firearms. Which leads me to...<<

Finally the Navy SEALS thought that the Mossbergís where a good Idea and the Mossbergís even passed a vigorous test with them. The SEALS found out that over time that the Mossbergís where no match for the Remington 870ís that are now being brought back into service. Seems that they were not holding up very well and prone to breakage.

>>I am firmly convinced that our SPECTACULAR SOF folks can and will break dadgum near anything....I hope I never hafta do with or to a firearm the stuff they do, God Bless em. Benellis also exhibited problems as detailed elsewhere on the board...I don't like them one bit but I wouldn't go as far to call Benelli's 'junk'.<<

I would suggest that one article written by a gun magazine commandos does not equal real 1st hand experience with the Mossberg 9200 series.Its been long published that Gun Magazineís catch a bunch of flack from Manufactures when they write a bad story about one of their products and in the past there have been several Manufactures drop advertising from the rags when they donít get a favorable mention. I am sorry but I donít give any merit to gun rag commandos. Even if they do work for SOF!
>>I understand, and I agree...but Peter Kokalis is one gunwriter that I certainly have more faith in than the average 'gunrag commando'. I've seen him poo-poo "popular" guns in his articles, which by itself is no guarantee of veracity, but to me it speaks volumes in contrast to the writers you describe above.<<

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Jared
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posted 05-21-2003 20:08     Click Here to See the Profile for Jared   Click Here to Email Jared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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...but Peter Kokalis is one gunwriter that I certainly have more faith in than the average 'gunrag commando'. I've seen him poo-poo "popular" guns in his articles, which by itself is no guarantee of veracity, but to me it speaks volumes in contrast to the writers you describe above.
Ok. So why does Kokalis think the M60 is almost as bad as the late, unlamented Chauchat? Was it really that bad?

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Mwinter
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posted 05-22-2003 14:46     Click Here to See the Profile for Mwinter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have only fired an M60 a couple of times, and never fired a Chauchat. Never had the dough or desire to own any LMG/SAW.
I've read 'bad' things about both guns from a performance and acquisition standpoint-- but I can't recall what Kokalis said about either. I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that if he's strongly against a service weapon it's due to poor performance or bad experience(s).
Again, as aforementioned with the SOF weapons thing, I hope I never have to find out which LMG is better than another...sorry I don't have more in the way of an answer.

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